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8-8-2024 < Counter Currents 22 4561 words
 

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Earlier in 2024, Counter-Currents conducted the first ever internal poll of the movement with 540 respondents. This is the first in a series of reports detailing the findings, some of which will be published, others which will be reserved only for select movement leaders. The purpose of this report is to identify what types of people are most open to our ideas, how our ideas spread, what tactics work best on different types of people, and what are the most common barriers which need to be surmounted. Ideally, these results will facilitate the radicalization of specific individuals, as red-pillers will be able tailor their approach to match the characteristics of their targets.


It is likely that we will expand this poll to other mailing lists which may yield different results.


Key takeaways are summarized at the end of this report.



  • Red Pill Trends


To study how people learn about our ideas, or become “red pilled” in internet language, we divided respondents into three general categories based on how long it took them to become red pilled: Immediately, Months, and Years. Respondents were divided almost evenly into thirds.

































61a. From your first serious consideration of pro-white ideas, how much time did it take for you to fully accept pro-white ideas?
ALL %
Immediately 181 33.5%
Months 167 30.9%
Years 192 35.6%
Total 540

A. Economics


Fewer respondents were upper middle class while growing up (for their childhood, they were allowed to select multiple options between poor, lower middle class, upper middle class, and wealthy due to how one’s socio-economic status can change over 18 years).

































3. Parents’ income/economic class while you were a child
Total % Immediate
Poor 11.9% 11.6%
Lower Middle Class 58.3% 62.4%
Upper Middle Class 39.3% 32.0%
Wealthy 1.9% 2.8%

For current economic class, slightly more respondents in the Years category are upper middle class at 49.2% compared to an average of 44.6% (for current economic class they were allowed to select only one option which best reflects their status at this time).








































61a. From your first serious consideration of pro-white ideas, how much time did it take for you to fully accept pro-white ideas?
% All Poor Lower Middle Class Upper Middle Class Wealthy
Immediately 33.5% 35.0% 34.5% 31.3% 50.0%
Months 30.9% 28.3% 33.2% 29.6% 27.8%
Years 35.6% 36.7% 32.3% 39.2% 22.2%

This suggests that being upper middle class correlates with lower radicalization, but only slightly.


Interestingly, out of the 18 respondents who identified as being currently wealthy, half were red pilled immediately at 50%, while only 22.2% were red pilled over a matter of years. While these findings have less predictive value due to the small sample size of only 18 respondents, they are suggestive that the wealthy are good targets for radicalization.


B. Miscellaneous Characteristics


Currently living in a rural area correlated with a slight increase in immediately becoming red pilled while a suburban environment correlated with a slight increase in taking years to become red pilled compared to the poll baseline. It should be noted that a substantially higher number of respondents currently live in a rural area compared to the national average.









































15. Would you describe your surroundings as:
% US as of 2016 (all races) Poll % Immediate Months Years
Urban 31% 26.6% 27.1% 25.3% 27.2%
Suburban 55% 50.4% 45.9% 51.2% 53.9%
Rural 14% 23.0% 27.1% 23.5% 18.8%

Most respondents were Nordic or Celtic. Celtic and Central European respondents had a moderate tendency to be red pilled within months rather than years or immediately, while Mediterranean respondents had a strong tendency to be red pilled immediately rather than in months or years. However, the smaller number of Central European and Mediterranean respondents lowers the predictive value of their respective findings.
































































22. How would you describe your subracial identity?
% Poll Immediate Months Years
Nordic 39.5% 42.0% 37.1% 39.1%
Celtic 25.8% 25.4% 30.2% 22.6%
Mediterranean 9.3% 13.0% 6.9% 7.5%
Slavic 4.7% 3.6% 2.6% 7.5%
Baltic 1.8% 1.4% 1.7% 2.3%
Central European 9.6% 7.2% 12.9% 9.0%
Other 9.3% 7.2% 8.6% 12.0%

82.6% of our respondents experienced a two-parent household while growing up. For comparison, 71% of all Americans had a two-parent household, not accounting for race.[1]


















































27. Your family growing up (check all that apply):
% Total Immediate Months Years
Two parent household 82.6% 79.4% 90.2% 79.6%
Single parent 8.0% 9.4% 7.3% 7.3%
Divorced parents 18.1% 17.2% 15.2% 21.5%
Foster home 0.4% 0.0% 0.6% 0.5%
Adoptive parents 1.3% 1.7% 1.2% 1.0%

Growing up in a two-parent household correlated with a stronger chance of being red pilled within months, while having divorced parents correlated with taking years to become red pilled.


No other major socio-economic deviations were found.


C. Previous Political Identification


The following are respondent’s previous political identifications, broken down by how quickly they were red pilled, age, and socio-economic status:













































































































































































































































































































































































55. What was your last political identification before your present one?
% All Immediately Months Years
Anarchist 3.0% 1.7% 3.3% 3.0%
Alt-Right 6.1% 6.6% 6.9% 6.1%
Communist or socialist 3.3% 2.2% 3.7% 3.3%
Dark Enlightenment (NRx) 2.6% 1.1% 2.9% 2.6%
Green 2.2% 1.7% 2.5% 2.2%
Mainstream Conservative 19.1% 16.6% 21.4% 19.1%
Paleo-Conservative 13.9% 15.5% 15.6% 13.9%
Liberal 7.8% 8.3% 8.7% 7.8%
Libertarian 21.0% 18.8% 23.5% 21.0%
Populist 4.6% 5.5% 5.2% 4.6%
White Nationalist 5.6% 8.3% 6.2% 5.6%
Far-Right: Fascist, National Socialist, authoritarian 6.9% 9.4% 0.0% 6.9%
Other 3.7% 4.4% 0.0% 3.7%
55. What was your last political identification before your present one?
% All Zoomer Young Millennial Old Millennial
Anarchist 3.0% 6.5% 5.9% 4.8%
Alt-Right 6.1% 3.2% 5.9% 6.3%
Communist or socialist 3.3% 12.9% 5.9% 1.6%
Dark Enlightenment (NRx) 2.6% 3.2% 5.0% 4.0%
Green 2.2% 0.0% 2.0% 0.8%
Mainstream Conservative 19.1% 12.9% 12.9% 19.0%
Paleo-Conservative 13.9% 16.1% 6.9% 12.7%
Liberal 7.8% 0.0% 3.0% 7.9%
Libertarian 21.0% 19.4% 23.8% 23.8%
Populist 4.6% 6.5% 6.9% 3.2%
White Nationalist 5.6% 3.2% 7.9% 4.0%
Far-Right: Fascist, National Socialist, authoritarian 6.9% 12.9% 8.9% 6.3%
Other 3.7% 3.2% 5.0% 5.6%
55. What was your last political identification before your present one?
% All Poor Lower Mid Class Upper Mid Class Wealthy
Anarchist 3.0% 8.3% 2.7% 1.7% 5.9%
Alt-Right 6.1% 5.0% 5.9% 5.4% 23.5%
Communist or socialist 3.3% 5.0% 3.2% 3.3% 0.0%
Dark Enlightenment (NRx) 2.6% 6.7% 2.3% 2.1% 0.0%
Green 2.2% 3.3% 2.7% 1.7% 0.0%
Mainstream Conservative 19.1% 15.0% 16.9% 22.1% 23.5%
Paleo-Conservative 13.9% 8.3% 12.8% 17.1% 5.9%
Liberal 7.8% 10.0% 8.2% 6.7% 11.8%
Libertarian 21.0% 16.7% 19.6% 24.2% 5.9%
Populist 4.6% 6.7% 3.7% 5.4% 0.0%
White Nationalist 5.6% 3.3% 7.3% 2.9% 23.5%
Far-Right: Fascist, National Socialist, authoritarian 6.9% 10.0% 8.2% 5.4% 0.0%
Other 3.7% 1.7% 6.4% 2.1% 0.0%

Among zoomers, fewer are coming to our politics from mainstream conservatism, slightly more are already “far right,” and there has been a surprising uptick in those coming from communism and socialism but with a precipitous drop off in former generic liberals. Libertarianism remains a common previous political identification. This challenges the assumption that the old “libertarian to Alt Right” pipeline has completely dried up. While we only had 31 zoomer respondents, there results are still suggestive.


Surprisingly few wealthy respondents were formerly libertarian and none were formerly “far right” while many were formerly Alt Right or White Nationalist. Poor respondents were slightly more likely to be former anarchists or NRx, though they were still few in number. Poor respondents were also slightly less likely to have been mainstream conservative, and much less likely to have been paleo-conservative. The upper middle class had the highest number of former mainstream conservatives, paleo-conservatives, and libertarians.


D. Intelligence and Personality


We also categorized respondents by IQ if they had taken an IQ test, or by an analogous test score using percentiles if they had taken a test which correlates with intelligence. We broke respondents into several categories: Average (IQ 100-114), Above Average (115-129), Moderately Gifted (130-144) and Highly Gifted (145 plus). For reference, the average IQ of our test takers was 130, which is two standard deviations above the average of 100.
















































61a. From your first serious consideration of pro-white ideas, how much time did it take for you to fully accept pro-white ideas?
IQ
% All Average Above Average Moderately Gifted Highly Gifted
Immediately 33.5% 51.6% 27.2% 27.5% 37.3%
Months 30.9% 22.6% 35.2% 34.9% 17.6%
Years 35.6% 25.8% 37.6% 37.6% 45.1%

Those with average intelligence were much more likely to be red pilled immediately. Those who were above average or moderately gifted were slightly less likely to be red-pilled immediately but with most of that drop being explained by a slight rise in the number who were red pilled over months. Those who were highly gifted were significantly more likely to be red pilled over years and significantly less over months with a slight increase in the immediately category. However, only 31 of our respondents were of average intelligence, and only 51 were highly gifted so their results have less predictive value.


A major gap in our poll findings are the characteristics of individuals with IQs under 100. This is a problem because a significant slice of the general public is in the 85-100 IQ range.


The OCEAN or “Big Five” test measures Openness, Conscientiousness, Extraversion, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism. The average US score for each category is 50. The average score of all poll respondents for Openness was 80.9, 62.8 for Conscientiousness, 44.3 for Extraversion, 52.5 for Agreeableness, and 49.5 for Neuroticism.


This strongly suggests that people who are highly open to experience as defined by “a general appreciation for art, emotion, adventure, unusual ideas, imagination, curiosity, and variety of experience” should be targeted.[2]


Additionally, those who were red pilled immediately had a slightly lower-than-average neurotic score of 46.7, compared to a slightly higher score of 53.7 for those who took years. This implies that low neuroticism slightly correlates with learning about our ideas.


On the Myers-Briggs test, disproportionately more respondents had (T) Thinking combined with Intuitive (N) traits versus (F) Feeling and Observant (S) traits. INTJs, INTPs, and ENTJs were vastly over-represented compared to the general population, and ENTPs were over twice as common among our respondents than the general population.














































































































71. What is your Myers-Briggs personality type?
% Poll % General Population
INTJ Architect 46.3% 2.1%
INTP Logician 18.5% 3.3%
ENTJ Commander 10.7% 1.8%
ENTP Debater 6.7% 3.2%
INFJ Advocate 0.0% 1.5%
INFP Mediator 3.0% 4.4%
ENFJ Protagonist 1.7% 2.5%
ENFP Campaigner 0.9% 8.1%
ISTJ Logistician 0.0% 11.6%
ISFJ Defender 1.5% 13.8%
ESTJ Executive 2.0% 8.7%
ESFJ Consul 0.9% 12.3%
ISTP Virtuoso 5.4% 5.4%
ISFP Adventurer 0.7% 8.8%
ESTP Entrepreneur 1.5% 4.3%
ESFP Entertainer 0.2% 8.5%

People whose personalities combine thinking over feeling combined with intuition over observation are prime targets for radicalization.[3] These types tend to be highly competent people, and especially the INTJs. However, this strength is also a weakness because the fact that our personality rates are so different from the general populace may hinder effective outreach. One possible solution to this shortcoming is focus groups.


There was surprisingly little variation in Myers-Briggs personality type distribution across the different data sets which were analyzed.


Respondents who have seriously doubted or discarded pro-white ideas were significantly more likely to have taken years to become red pilled.































61a. From your first serious consideration of pro-white ideas, how much time did it take for you to fully accept pro-white ideas?
67. Once you became pro-white, did you ever seriously doubt or discard pro-white ideas?
% All Yes to Question 67
Immediately 33.5% 18.0%
Months 30.9% 26.0%
Years 35.6% 56.0%

This emphasizes the need to focus on people who can be red pilled immediately or relatively soon rather than years, because those who take a long time are prone to reverting to their previous positions anyways.


Those who had seriously doubted our ideas had an average score of 55.5 out of 100 on the Conscientiousness part of the OCEAN personality test. While this was above the national US average of 50, it was also below the poll average of 62.8.


E. Religion


79.1% of our respondents had a Christian upbringing with hardly any variation across the red pill categories of Immediately, Months, and Years. However, only 41.4% currently identify as Christian. For comparison, 63-65% of US citizens are Christian.


9.7% of respondents had a religious primary education and this number dipped to 3.6% of those who were red pilled over a matter of months (a 62.9% decrease). Despite a small sample size, this suggests that formal Christian religiosity correlates with either being very open to or very resistant to our ideas with less of a middle ground. Thus, people with a more formal religious upbringing should be targeted for radicalization but attempts to red pill them should be abandoned if progress is not forthcoming.
























































































































18a. What are your current religious beliefs?:
ALL Immediate Months Years
Atheist/agnostic 32.3% 30.6% 34.8% 31.9%
Christian 41.4% 41.1% 39.0% 44.0%
Traditionalist/perennialist 10.4% 10.6% 11.0% 9.9%
Jewish 0.2% 0.6% 0.0% 0.0%
Muslim (Sunni) 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Muslim (Shia) 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
New Age 1.3% 1.1% 2.4% 0.5%
Hindu 1.5% 0.6% 1.8% 2.1%
Buddhist 3.5% 2.8% 3.7% 4.2%
Thelemite 0.7% 0.0% 1.2% 1.0%
Pagan (Asatru) 12.5% 13.9% 14.0% 9.9%
Pagan (Greco-Roman) 3.9% 5.6% 2.4% 3.7%
Pagan (other) 7.1% 8.9% 9.1% 3.7%
Wiccan 0.2% 0.0% 0.6% 0.0%
Other 16.4% 17.8% 15.9% 15.7%

Respondents who are currently some form of pagan were more likely to be red pilled immediately or within months, and less likely to take years to red pill. However, this did not hold true for traditionalists/perennialists, who had very little variation in their red pill times.


Different Christian denominations had different red pill trends:






































































































































































Current Denomination ALL Christians Immediate Months Years
Catholic 32.4% 35.1% 21.9% 38.1%
Orthodox 10.4% 8.1% 14.1% 9.5%
Lutheran 6.3% 8.1% 6.3% 4.8%
Anglican/Episcopalian 9.5% 9.5% 7.8% 10.7%
Presbyterian/Reformed 6.8% 4.1% 12.5% 4.8%
Methodist 1.8% 0.0% 4.7% 1.2%
Baptist 7.2% 6.8% 6.3% 8.3%
Non-denominational 14.0% 16.2% 14.1% 11.9%
Mormon 1.8% 0.0% 1.6% 3.6%
Anabaptist 0.9% 2.7% 0.0% 0.0%
Swedenborgian 0.9% 2.7% 0.0% 0.0%
Christian Science 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Pentecostal 0.5% 1.4% 0.0% 0.0%
Unitarian 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Congregationalist 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Church of Christ 0.5% 1.4% 0.0% 0.0%
Disciples of Christ 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Nazarene 0.5% 0.0% 1.6% 0.0%
Seventh Day Adventist 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Jehovah’s Witness 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Quaker 0.5% 0.0% 1.6% 0.0%
Other 10.8% 13.5% 12.5% 7.1%

Catholics (who were the most numerous at 32.4% of Christian respondents) tended to have become red pilled either immediately or within years. A similar but less pronounced trend was seen among Anglicans/Episcopalians. The opposite was true for Orthodox, Presbytrian/Reformed, and Methodist respondents who were more likely to have been red pilled within months rather than immediately or within years. Non-denominational respondents tended slightly towards being red pilled immediately or within months versus years.


Interestingly, 38.5% of Zoomers identified as Catholic and 30.8% as Orthodox. While zoomer respondents were few in number, this is suggestive of a shift towards Catholicism and Orthodoxy among the youth in our ranks.


Unlike whether respondents had a formal religious schooling, the intensity of respondents’ current religious beliefs had only a minimal correlation with how long it took them to become red pilled. Intense religious beliefs correlated with a tiny increase in taking years to red pill, while weak religious beliefs correlated with a tiny increase in being red pilled immediately. That this difference was so slight should dispel the notion that Christianity is incompatible with ethno-nationalism, at least in practice.











































19. How would you rate the intensity of your religious beliefs or disbelief?
Total % Immediate Months Years
Weak 18.6% 20.4% 17.5% 17.8%
Moderate 48.5% 45.3% 50.6% 49.7%
Intense 26.4% 24.3% 25.9% 28.8%
Don’t know 6.5% 9.9% 6.0% 3.7%

F. Exposure to Diversity


We asked respondents how much diversity they were exposed to growing up. They could answer none, a little, some, or a lot:











































42. Were you exposed to substantial racial diversity growing up?
% All Immediately Months Years
None 18.6% 18.8% 21.0% 16.4%
A little 36.5% 29.3% 41.3% 39.2%
Some 22.3% 26.5% 16.2% 23.8%
A lot 22.5% 25.4% 21.6% 20.6%














































61a. From your first serious consideration of pro-white ideas, how much time did it take for you to fully accept pro-white ideas?
Racial Diversity Growing Up
% All None A Little Some A Lot
Immediately 33.5% 34.0% 27.0% 40.0% 38.0%
Months 30.9% 35.0% 35.2% 22.5% 29.8%
Years 35.6% 31.0% 37.8% 37.5% 32.2%

Significantly more people who were exposed to “a little” diversity took months or years to red pill rather than immediately, and significantly more people who were exposed to “some” diversity were red pilled immediately rather than over the course of months or years. However, while those who were exposed to “a lot” of diversity were more likely to be red pilled immediately rather than months or years, that disparity was less pronounced than the “some” category.


This suggests that while reality can certainly radicalize people there are diminishing returns, and at some point, even a reversal. While vast amounts of diversity can certainly radicalize some whites, others may become hopeless, or even assimilate into and identify with non-white culture (the rapper Eminem comes to mind). This undermines the accelerationist standpoint that we can win through losing because worsening conditions will radicalize people for us.



  • Red Pill Paths


 A. Spokesmen, Platforms, and Media


The most common pro-white spokesman respondents encountered was Jared Taylor at about 20% (note: this does not account for alternate spellings, titles, etc. Future polls will direct respondents to use first name plus last name whenever applicable). The second most common was David Duke at 8.9%.


Jared Taylor was the spokesman most respondents said was the most influential pro-white spokesman they had encountered at 29.5%. The second was Greg Johnson at 14% (it should be emphasized that future polls of other mailing lists may yield different results).


24.1% of respondents reported that American Renaissance (combined with “AmRen”) was the first pro-white platform they had encountered. 9.3% said Counter-Currents, 8.8% Stormfront, and 4.7% VDare.


17.1% rated American Renaissance as the most influential pro-white platform they had encountered, as did 32.6% for Counter-Currents.


When we asked respondents to rate who they thought was the single first, second, and third most influential movement spokesman, they overwhelmingly selected Jared Taylor. 36.1% said that Jared Taylor was the most effective, 16.7% second most effective, and 8.2% third most effective. The respective numbers for Greg Johnson were 14.2%, 18.3%, and 8.9%.


These facts show the importance of unbanning Jared Taylor on X, formerly known as Twitter, and a campaign to pressure Elon Musk to unban him ought to be organized.


We also explored through what channels people became red pilled:












































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59a. Where did you first hear about pro-white ideas?
% All Immediately Months Years
Mainstream (Left) media 5.6% 3.3% 4.8% 8.3%
Mainstream Conservative media 2.8% 0.6% 4.2% 3.6%
Fox News 0.2% 0.0% 0.6% 0.0%
Tucker Carlson 0.2% 0.0% 0.0% 0.5%
X/Twitter