Thanks to Norman Finkelstein for joining us again on the pod for a conversation about Israel’s ongoing genocide in Palestine and the response of the international community (and its judicial institutions). Norm’s turning our attention to the last few months of proceedings against Israel in the international courts, and to the latest developments — which could mean arrest warrants for Bibi. Watch below:

The lack of a swift, unified response of condemnation from the international community regarding Israel’s grievous war crimes might leave some of us thinking that everybody else is following the U.S.’s example — either actively aiding Israel or keeping silent. But Norm points out that for months now, South Africa, in a display of true solidarity and “tenacity,” has continued to press the issue. Under the rules of the courts, no new provisional measures (i.e. demanding that Israel halt military activity and allow humanitarian aid to pass into Gaza) can be imposed if it can’t be proved that there are new circumstances of suffering that need to be addressed.

South Africa, according to Norm, has repeatedly showed up to the courts demanding new provisional measures, and while none were given in February, the courts judged in March that the situation had sufficiently deteriorated to require new measures. Then, as human rights advocates and organizations across the world began in May to raise the alarm about Israel’s planned offensive in Rafah (which has since caused unthinkable suffering and devastation), South Africa continued to press the case against Israel.

Israel has been furious about the allegations brought against them, insisting that their slaughter of thousands of Palestinians only amounts to a few problems that don’t add up to a humanitarian crisis. The challenge for South Africa and other entities sympathetic to Gaza’s plight, Norm points out, is that the court has been unsure who to believe in these exchanges. Now, as Israel continues to deny the existence of a humanitarian crisis and images of unbelievable horror and pain pour out of Rafah, the court has said in no uncertain terms that it doesn’t believe Israel any more.

What does this mean for further proceedings, and for potential prosecution of Bibi and the other war criminals? We talk through all of this and more with Norman Finkelstein this week. You can listen to this episode as a podcast tomorrow evening on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Pandora, and more.