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Angelo Plume (Telegram, YouTube) and Matt Parrott (Telegram, Substack) were Greg Johnson‘s special guests on the latest broadcast of Counter-Currents Radio, which was the fourth meeting of the Counter-Currents Book Club: a discussion of Dr. Johnson’s latest book, Against Imperialism. It is now available for download and online listening.

There are some debates among those White Nationalists who wish to build a political movement that are best left until after our race is saved from the brink of extinction, such as:

• Christianity or paganism?


• Capitalism or socialism?


• Allow abortion or ban it?

Ethnonationalism versus imperialism is not one of them, however. Ethnonationalists want a world in which every distinct people has the right to a sovereign homeland. Imperialists want a single white racial state. Wilmot Robertson makes the case for ethnonationalism in his book The Ethnostate, whereas Francis Parker Yockey presents the case for imperialism in Imperium. Other advocates of imperialism include Sir Oswald Mosley, Jean Thiriart, and Guillaume Faye. Against Imperialism was inspired by a lively debate that was held between Greg Johnson and Gregory Hood at our Spring Retreat last year. This stream was a further discussion on these crucial themes.

Topics discussed include:

00:01:41 Introducing the guests
00:02:47 What inspired the book?
00:11:38 On social media metapolitics
00:13:21 Was the Traditional Worker Party pro-Russian?
00:15:08 On “Western” Orthodox Christianity
00:16:01 On Alexander Dugin
00:17:23 Angelo loves diversity
00:24:06 The book’s fundamental themes
00:35:16 Imperialism is unnecessary
00:39:10 Imperialism is unsustainable
00:43:35 The trajectory of history is away from imperialism
00:47:10 Statism is good
00:50:02 On secession
00:50:57 Why would Americans favor imperialism?
00:52:57 Is imperialism cooler?
00:59:19 The US used to have a good reputation with the Chinese
01:02:11 Will America save the West?
01:03:39 What if America had annexed Canada?
01:05:08 On Nordicism
01:05:37 Listener comments
01:06:33 Political differences between the waves of American immigrants
01:11:29 Ideology matters more now
01:12:55 How ideology forges races
01:18:11 Listener comments
01:19:15 What would the world look like if the United States wasn’t dominant?
01:33:41 Academic Agent’s criticisms of Americans
01:38:26 Tweaking the critiques of “America”
01:40:37 A contradiction in Francis Parker Yockey
01:40:56 On the positive correlation between wealth and openness
01:44:20 VDare is being shut down
01:45:50 Critiques of Against Imperialism
01:49:08 What if a people obtain independence and then destroy themselves?

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